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Re: The 3 percenter non-sense.

MostlyGenius — Sun, 09 Oct 2011 05:10:13 -0000

Well, the 3%ers claim to be extremists that stockpile weapons and think the government is out to get them. What does it mean to be a non-extremist supporter of an extremist organization? By the way, they are 'extremist' in rhetoric - not in action. They don't do action, save for a little bit of vandalism.

Re: The 3 percenter non-sense.

Gettalent — Sat, 08 Oct 2011 10:58:13 -0000

Geez... Im not extreme and I support the 3%ers. These folks are merely exercising their rights and beliefs. Maybe they are proud of American heritage and the American revolution. I had heard that 3% of the colonialists defeated the British and created America. Im proud of that. Doesnt mean I have a stock pile of weapons or think the govt is out to get me. I do find it kind of extreme that supporting the Constitution is radical these days. Kind of a smack in the face to anybody that has defended our country.

Re: The 3 percenter non-sense.

Plymouthian — Sun, 27 Jun 2010 22:26:24 -0000

Wow. Just stumbled on this. Exhibit A for "Epistemic closure".
Just checking, but has anyone had jackbooted stormtroopers bust in their doors since this kerfluffle began? What planet do you folks live on?

Re: The 3 percenter non-sense.

MostlyGenius — Thu, 25 Feb 2010 22:48:23 -0000

Do you have some kind of a point? Because if you do I wish that you would make it.

Re: The 3 percenter non-sense.

Donald — Thu, 25 Feb 2010 04:59:14 -0000

Howdy, Reading these comments, it would seem that the Genius is making a name and or career for themselves by going at it with a group of three per centers. If the group of merry three percenters is such a big joke, why do you devote so much of your time and energy to them. You have thrown yourself into the pot with all of this disorganized "riff-raff" and become exactly what you decry in your tirades. You become a product of your enviornment. You mock,cajole,ridicule and generally believe these people are idiots. What is a person who gives idiots notice and publicity? An idiot. Knuck.

Re: The 3 percenter non-sense.

Solzhenitsyn — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:04:07 -0000

"And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling in terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? [...] The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!" —Alexander Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago

Re: The 3 percenter non-sense.

Tim — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 12:50:42 -0000

MG says, "The fact is that I can’t hold you accountable for Vanderboegh’s bombast. Why you would choose to defend it escapes me."

I would because Mike Vanderbough Understands what reality is.
He also has a very aquite & good working sense of history, and Government.
And what true rights are.

Imagine Me coming to your home everyday. Staying with you and telling you what you could do all day long?
Making more and more demands onto you that made you more & more angrier by the day. BUT NO! You cannot do anything about it, because it's the Law. Stay Law abiding MG.
Every second. Making demands that upset you.
Now I'm kicking you out of your own home...because I like it.
Wouldn't last long would it? Would it MG?
Even if I had a badge on.

Come on MG?
Give me 1/4 of your home? I'll get it anyway. Give me 1/2?
Give me 3/4's of your wages, MG?
You're going to give it to Me anyway.
I'm the gov't, MG!
Give me Your children MG. It's the Law. And I'll turn them into nice little tyrannts to force you into a camp, so i can Kill you.
Can't happen MG?
It did in China............
Like I said MG? You're some what intellectual. But it is a false logic you see and live by.
It's not 1, real people would react under.
Like I said though? keep trying. We can hope for You.

Re: The 3 percenter non-sense.

Tim — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 12:28:05 -0000

MG? What is Now, And what comes about from actions upon? Are............2 very different situations.
Watch Charles Bronsons , "Death Wish" And The Sequels.

This is a very good example of How Good people of sound moral principle react when pressured. It's Human nature.
In my line of thought and beliefs it is Our Creators nature to survive, buildt in.
Noone in the Militia is going Out looking for fights.

Image for yourself if you will MG?

They come to your door? Youhear a dog bark. It wakes You. All of a sudden you hear your door being smashed down in the middle of the night? Your childs room is just a few feet from the front door?
You don't know who it is. You hear your child scream, DADDY!
You run to their defense with you firearm. You see shadows of strangers ransacking your home.

YOU FIRE on them to save your Family!
Because............You cannot answer the definitive questions that you are presented with.
All you will know at the time is...........What is my responsibility. What is My purpose in life? Who needs me the most at this time? What will I Do to protect the ones that will carry on My Line?

Keep trying. You'll get it sooner or later. God Bless.

Re: The 3 percenter non-sense.

Oldsmoblogger — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 10:04:56 -0000

you guys have staked out a position that none of you will actually act upon

If you say so.

Re: The 3 percenter non-sense.

MostlyGenius — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 09:33:57 -0000

Oldsmoblogger:

If "killing people for exercising their rights is the government’s game" then please parse the "kill anyone who tried to further restrict our God-given liberty" statement for me. That really doesn't sound like 'defending the doorstep' to me.

Regarding "lets you and him fight", I guess it wouldn't be so tempting if your side wasn't so bold about talking a good killing and comparing yourselves to the glorious warriors of old.

The fact is that I can't hold you accountable for Vanderboegh's bombast. Why you would choose to defend it escapes me.

Update: I just caught your remarks over at SnowFlakes. I don't wonder why you folks aren't killing the anti-gunners: you guys have staked out a position that none of you will actually act upon. There is no mystery there. It's ok though, I thought it was a bad position from the start and I am glad it isn't going anywhere.

Re: The 3 percenter non-sense.

Oldsmoblogger — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 08:42:03 -0000

MostlyGenius, as odious as the Brady Campaign is, they are exercising their First Amendment rights. See, killing people for exercising their rights is the government's game, not mine.

Frankly, you and BC are both engaging in the time-honored game of "let's you and him fight." Shall I give you advance notice og when and where too, so you can grab the popcorn concession? Might as well make it worth your while.

Re: The 3 percenter non-sense.

MostlyGenius — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:41:17 -0000

Tim:
I don't think many people are happy with the government of any political stripe. The government represents a consensus (on some level), and that consensus in practice keeps pretty much everyone from getting everything they want.

Heck if you can leverage 70% of Americans you don't even need them to fight, just get them to quit paying their taxes until things change.

I cannot recall a single act of armed resistance (along the lines of this discussion) in recent memory that has ever gotten any massive popular support. Please correct me if I am missing something.

My question is how bad does that repression have to get, before the government loses it's base? Can the base be shifted before the repression occurs?

(I am not a government apologist so I don't really have any reason to defend the actions of the government against the Bonus Army.)

Re: The 3 percenter non-sense.

Tim — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 07:14:04 -0000

MG says. " Should a militia take or threaten any sort of violent action they will immediately be vilified in the media and in the minds of most of the populace."

Tims says, >>>> Oh you mean that populace of around 70% OF AMERICANS THAT ARE SO FEAD UP WITH GOV'T IN THEIR LIVES. THEY DON'T EVEN BOTHER TO VOTE ANYMORE ?
Because they already know where times are going?
You mean The Ones I talk too that say EVERYTIME.........That they are so Sick & F'n tired of Lying Politicians and gov't theft?
What I THINK you maY FAIL TO REALISE?
Is that if the Gov't repression becomes So Bad? The Gov't is going to lose much of it's base.
Drive it away, except for those who feel it is some kind of safety benefit.(But that will not last long)

State to state fracturing. US armed forces fracturing.
Once these people let the Cat out of the bag, so too speak?
People are going to become encouraged in their Own Principles, as others begin to defend theirs.
Because of their own deep seeded, Repression & Apprehension.

Hey? I'm 45 years Old.
You know what My Great Grandpa told me about Gov't?

Don't expect to much good to come from it as You grow older my son.
And expect to someday have to fight for your freedom here in the USA.
He served in WW1!
He was in DC when they shot VETS9! was his Best friend) for protesting the Gov/t lying to them about getting Paid for their service to their country. A PROMISE that Gov't made to our VETS and Broke!
That's how far back this all goes and then some.

Re: The 3 percenter non-sense.

BC — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 04:46:29 -0000

Christ, Mike, if you're going to reference something I said, at least have the integrity to quote me accurately.

I never said that I wanted you and David Codrea dead in a ditch.

What I said was that I'll believe you have the courage of your convictions when I see you dead in a ditch.

Sure, you're all a fine bunch of Henry Bowmans on the Internet. But the grievance-mongering is long on goalpost-moving and short on actual gunfire. You gotta earn the Heroic Martyr Standing Up For Liberty cred, because the talk and the attitude is indistinguishable from garden-variety online gasbaggery.

Re: The 3 percenter non-sense.

MostlyGenius — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 03:32:35 -0000

Oldsmoblogger:

The thing that seems to escape the "insurrectionists" is that they are fixated on process, rather than outcome. It is absolutely a popularity contest because without the population none of the end goals are achievable. If the aim is to restore the founder's republic there is nothing in the plan for doing so.

As to the evidence of spoiling for a fight, or talking out your hats:
"There are some of us "cold dead hands" types, perhaps 3 percent of gun owners, who would kill anyone who tried to further restrict our God-given liberty."

I am not hearing any gunfire, but MBV's barking becomes fodder for the Brady Campaign: http://www.bradycampaign.or... (As an aside: does the Brady Campaign not count as "trying to further restrict?" or does it have to be a politician or a federal agent?)

Am I to believe now that this "trying to further restrict" is a reference to a federal agent kicking in the door of your home and not the politicians passing more laws? That sounds like the line in the sand is moving.

Re: The 3 percenter non-sense.

illspirit — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 02:48:06 -0000

Just stopped in from Mr. V's blog, started to write a reply, and it got a bit long so I posted my $0.02 here. Sorry for not using a normal trackback thingy, but my home-brew scripts don't support it yet..

Re: The 3 percenter non-sense.

MostlyGenius — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 02:33:04 -0000

Cyborg Bill:

Charming, I am sure the rest of your mensa group is lucky to have you.

Re: The 3 percenter non-sense.

Cyborg Bill — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 00:27:26 -0000

MG, while I am hunkered down, I will be completely prepared to defend my property from all enemies - to coin a phrase - foreign and domestic. If the "authorities" in the area around our "compound" try to take any of our property I will respond with deadly force if necessary. Mike and the others aren't saying they will join in an armed insurrection. What they - hell WE - are saying is that we will defend our liberty and property with all levels of force - up to and including deadly force. I cannot speak for others but if you think I am bluffing consider this: in one week I pulled the plug on my baby brother, arranged disposition of his body, told my MOTHER she was terminal and filled in the blanks on a DNR, then on the following day I told my dieing Mother that her youngest son was already dead and 48 hours lafter THAT I pulled the nasal cannula out of my dead Mother's lifeless nostrils whereupon, having made initial arrangements for HER remains I got in my vehicle and drove home with my baby brother in a baggie in a box in the floorboard behind my seat! If I can do all that in 4 1/2 days, would you expect me to have trouble stopping ANYone who dares threaten my family!? Right now the government is part of "us". If it makes itself into "them" I will have no compunctions about defending my family and property from its agents.

And I am not alone in my resolve. None of us are looking/spoiling for a fight. But if His Magnificent (that's what "Hussein means BTW) Obamaness (remember, he tacitly agreed that he would rule us) pushes things too far a fight is what he will get.

Mark me. If the left goes too far it will start with demonstrations. Those demonstrations will escalate and sooner or later troops will be dispatched to settle things down. There may be multiple incidents - some making Kent State look like a picnic - but eventually a Governor will refuse to allow his state Guard to be nationalized and state Guard troops will face federal troops who only a few months before had been comrads in arms and the mutiny will start. Then AND ONLY THEN will the union be sundered.

BTW, your link to what you characterize as "more 3 percenter nonsense" is invalid as published. You should either publish a correction or a retraction.

What sort of egotistical asshole styles himself a "mostly" genius anyhow? I have yet to see any evidence of any sort of genius level mentation on MG's part.

Re: The 3 percenter non-sense.

MostlyGenius — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:40:30 -0000

Oldsmoblogger:

I don't have time at this moment to give you an answer, but I will try to do so later today.

Re: The 3 percenter non-sense.

MostlyGenius — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 21:01:14 -0000

Mr. Vanderboegh:

I am typing as fast as my little fingers will allow. I addressed your comment in a full, separate post:
http://brillianter.com/2008...

Re: The 3 percenter non-sense.

Oldsmoblogger — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:06:38 -0000

Very well...but had the Virginia legislature been indifferent -- or worse, in connivance with Crown and Parliament -- what then would be your counsel?

Particularly when "Turn 'em in" is followed by, "By the way, you owe my constituent over there a living now, so get digging."

I read enough of your other work to know you are not a cheerleader for the State. But what is your evidence for the claim that we are either spoiling for a fight or talking through our hats? I (and better men and women than me simply state), for the record and under my right name, "this far and no farther."

As for public support, certainly it's desirable. But if it's unavailable...well, I knew back when I started that I was entering the animating contest of our time, not a popularity contest.

Ken
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Re: The 3 percenter non-sense.

Mike Vanderboegh — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:59:40 -0000

O MG, I notice you've answered other's posts but not mine. From your comments to them I gather you've still not looked deeply into that mirror. What say you?

Re: The 3 percenter non-sense.

MostlyGenius — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:45:49 -0000

Oldsmoblogger:

Yes, the political speech that caused the legislature to order military action against the British.

I would point out that mustering that level of political support today would make a clash of arms irrelevant.

Re: The 3 percenter non-sense.

MostlyGenius — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:32:43 -0000

Cyborg Bill:

The argument about federal troops resisting orders for gun confiscation is very accurate based upon my personal observations. I will say that the quickest way to change their minds is to shoot one of them.

I would point out that "hunkering down" isn't really part of the argument. Assembling a survivalist group and retreating to the woods doesn't have much impact on government tyranny. Unless you are operating against the government you could "hunker down" in your house.

Re: The 3 percenter non-sense.

Oldsmoblogger — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:26:56 -0000

I will sum up the principle of "three percent," as I understand it, for you in 42 simple plain English (beautifully assembled, but plain English nonetheless) words.

Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!

What exactly is your objection?

Kenneth David Hall
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